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>Map: Where You Don’t Want to Be When It Hits the Fan  - Mac Slavo - ShtfPlan
My point was to get out of the US altogether. Of course not everyone will have the resources to do so but many do, they’re ignorant that the situation in their country is rapidly degenerating so will not do anything about their future situation. To some, even though they know the situation is bad they want to ignore the signs, the concept of an event that will alter the way they enjoy life is too much to take in.

You point out what many advocates of prepping suggest, finding a remote location in the country somewhere and stocking it with supplies to last a minimum of a year. You’re correct that there is a chance someone could locate this retreat therefore many writers go into detail about finding the choicest location for such a bug out location, as far off the roads as possible typically and so forth, and using caches. Let’s face it, anyplace outside of the metropolitan areas where you can hole up will be better than attempting to survive the mayhem that will descend upon the cities. As overtheedge has pointed out, there will be a skill set required that not many in today’s society still possess, those that do tend to be the survival minded individuals and of course the workers which provide the food city dwellers pick up at grocery stores, the farmers. Skills such as software developers (I don’t want to pick on just one but use this as an example) won’t be needed for some time but construction workers, engineers, and the like will be in demand.

That said, looking back at what I posted about Fusion centers and socialist government control still holds. Let history be the teacher here and I say the following with respect for the Jewish people that had to suffer. In Nazi Germany the Jews were hunted and shipped off to camps with barbed wire fencing (not much different than the Fusion centers), anyone giving aid to them suffered the same fate. They clamped down on the civilian population and everyone was suspect of being a resistance collaborator. Is it that far of a stretch to suggest that when the crash hits the US government will want to control the civilian population in much the same way the Nazi’s did? I’m not suggesting that people will be executed but they want to control you and everyone else. How is it that there were so many Jewish survivors? Many got out of Germany or into the deep country side before the Nazi’s started rounding them up. Their chance of survival in populated areas was extremely poor and wholly reliant upon others helping them. Look at Hitler’s paranoia and how he suspected virtually everyone of treason. With all the intrusion into the personal lives of US citizens by the NSA, and every other department of the DHS, is there really any difference between the US government paranoia and that of Hitler’s? Pick any historical ruler, they would all have been salivating at the thought of having the type of access to your personal communications and your affiliations that the current administration now possess.

Personally I decided that since I had the means to get out of the rat race and what I see as the inevitable crash and burn, I would do so. There are many countries left on the planet that will suffer far less when the crash hits. overtheedge points out that it would be wise to have something to bribe bureaucrats with if you move to these countries. He is correct, in many countries palms need to be greased to get anything accomplished. On a greater scale this happens every day in the US, don’t believe it then please explain the huge funding lobbyists have available and the almost continuous exposure of elected officials caught being paid under the table to hasten the process of approvals. There are many reasons the countries will suffer less, in most cases it's because they are less reliant on technology which may be offline for some time before systems can be restored. It's unfortunate that we look upon nations which aren't hardwired like the US, Europe, and Canada for instance and think of them as being backwards. Even within Europe there are nations that still rely more on physical labour as part of the everyday routine, think of the nations around the Mediterranean. North Americans and the northern Euro group countries are filled with people eating and drinking to excess and then paying money to workout in gyms. What a waste.

Back to the point though. If you can, do some research to locate what looks like the best alternative country for you, move yourself and family to a country where there will be less suffering when the crash hits. Caribbean countries along with many in south America are a good choice, Singapore, Mauritius is another great little country. I know there will be many divergent opinions on this, many opinions I’ve encountered when discussing this are based on what the media pumps into peoples brains rather than personal experience. Think of this for a moment, how many of the world’s wealthiest families will still be residing in the US or Europe when things go really bad. There’s a reason virtually all of them has purchased land in some country that most north Americans would consider as backwards. There’s a reason so many of them reside in these other countries for the majority of the time and only go back ‘home’ to visit, when it happens you want to be where you will be as safe as possible.

Jim C, my suggestion to anybody would be to at the least take the advice of those that promote having an alternative location outside of the area where those in need will be ranging to ride out the storm. overtheedge stated “I don't even trust my own opinions. Ergo, I upgrade and/or discard them as new data becomes available and gets analyzed.” I would suggest that not considering what I proffer is in effect negating the intake of new data before it even has a chance of being analyzed.


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Beginning of the headline :When it hits the fan America’s population centers will explode in violence, looting, and total breakdown of law and order. It’s a theory put forth by numerous survival and relocation specialists, and one that makes complete sense if you consider what happens in a truly serious collapse-like scenario. Survival Blog founder James Rawles calls them the golden horde: Because of the urbanization of the U.S. population, if the entire eastern or western power grid goes down for more than a week, the ci... Read More
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