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>On American Socialism  - Doug Casey - Casey Research
Re Jim C's: "Those *believing* the first [Limited to the military, police, and courts] are the orginial [sic] Libertarians and the Ayn Rand followers, and those *believing* in the latter (no government at all) are the Lysander Spooners, the Rothbards and the Modern Anarchists".

Those are more FALSE ALTERNATIVES: I don't see Casey as a "follower"! Nor the ONLY person standing on ALL the above (as opposed to either-or). "Nor as someone who NO combination of logic or facts is effective against I.E. a deeply-held *belief*" (such as limited statists). ~ Chris Dates

As to Peace and Order. It IS already maintained autonomously via natural and customary laws (what anarco-capitalism is based on). To Doug's point there IS A "LIMIT" to how long such can continue in spite of the chaos caused by "The Most Dangerous Superstition": The *belief* that SOME Govt Authority, Intervention and Prohibitions are in SOME degree GOOD and NEEDED.

Even though her description of Galt's Gulch is a functional anarchy (no rulers), Rand abhorred what she thought of as "anarchy" and she explicitly embraced the idea of minimal government. HOWEVER, as George H Smith points out "...Rand's principles, if consistently applied, lead necessarily to a repudiation of government on moral grounds".
“IN DEFENSE OF RATIONAL ANARCHISM”
heim.ifi.uio.no/~thomas/po/rational-anarchism.html

The Gun in the room (The State) is what makes "Perverse Incentives" (and the "Poaching" of one's neighbors) CONVENIENT. It has been so with the WAR on drugs, alcohol, education, roads, grocery shopping, driving, law, defense, copyright, human progress... ("Imperial Conditioning and the American State" and "Government is the Engine for Perverse Incentives" by Bill Buppert) zerogov.com/?p=2780

The following articles address how and why it IS customary law that ACTUALLY keeps order and NOT Govt; It also shatters the myth that government [including limited] must define and enforce "the rules of the game".

I recommend: "Enterprise of Customary Law" by Bruce L. Benson And an example of an application: "Solutions for the Pirate Problem [AND Statism] [SARC Intended]". by Karen Kwiatkowski archive.mises.org/6795/the-enterprise-of-customary-law/ AND lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski229.html

Let us now completely dispense with Jim C's position that ONLY Govt in some degree must enforce the LAW. It's NOT undeniable that EVEN SOME of the Statute Laws on the books are beneficial.

Any customary laws made into statute law cannot be good! Briefly the tacit assumption that natural laws do not apply to human relationships led men to believe they must have a central system of Statutory Laws to fill the gap and maintain social order. The principle behind a Statutory Law written a priori cannot be made to fit all circumstances. Its application is UNOBJECTIVE and misses value structure objectivity of profit and loss calculations. This market price *breakthru came from Mises's 1920 paper refuting Socialism.

Paraphrased from "The Market for Liberty"
Morris and Linda Tannehill (Anarchist/Agorist Students of Rand, Spooner, Mises Rothbard etc) alpha.mises.org/daily/5305/Freedom-Natural

Part I, II and III continued at strike-the-root.com/restitution#comment-6955


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Beginning of the headline :It's interesting how certain breeds of statist are now re-labeling themselves as "progressives." I guess they like the sound of the root word – progress – even though they only want progress towards collectivism. They used to call themselves "liberals," a word which in America used to stand for free minds and free markets. But they appropriated it and degraded it – classical liberals had to rechristen themselves "libertarians." World-improvers, political hacks, and busybodies in general are excellent at disguising bad ideas with good words, ruining them in the process... Read More
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